Friday, August 30, 2019

Donna Zuckerberg, sister of Mark, opts for Athenian ostracism (and maybe worse): Lincoln and Douglas debates = good, Socrates' debates = bad

The unemployed classics PhD (Princeton) lives in Silicon Valley with her husband and two children, and runs a much fancier online presence than yours truly. She remains discomfited that America is more Rome than Athens.



As the editor of an online publication that runs articles about the intersections of classical antiquity and the modern world, often from a feminist and progressive perspective, I’ve gotten my fair share of “debate me” challenges. Many of these have come after I began writing about far-right interest in ancient Greece and Rome in 2016. Blocking some of my would-be adversaries on Twitter seemed to just energize them — and convince them I was afraid to engage.

A call to debate may seem intellectual, even civilized. In theory, well-structured and respectful debates are an ideal opportunity to reach an audience that isn’t fixed in its views. In reality, however, most “debate me” types seem to view them mainly as a chance to attack their opponent’s credibility. Their model is not Lincoln and Douglas, but rather Socrates: By needling their interlocutors with rapid-fire questions, they aim to reveal, as they see it, their opponents’ ignorance and stupidity, and their own superior intelligence and logic. ...

These modest men also identify with Socrates, the original “debate me” troll. The Platonic texts show Socrates pulling any number of Athenians into debates, and although some are eager to argue with him, others can hardly wait to escape him by the end of the dialogue. Plato’s “Euthyphro” concludes with Euthyphro insisting that he has to leave, while Socrates calls after him, complaining that they haven’t yet figured out the nature of piety. Many of the dialogues end when the interlocutor has been bludgeoned into submission and seems to find it easier to agree with Socrates than continue further — every “debate me” man’s dream. ...

As Laurie Penny noted last year with respect to Milo Yiannopoulos, deplatforming white supremacists is a much more successful way to shut them down than insisting that “sunlight is the best disinfectant” and allowing them to air their hateful views in a structured debate setting. 

Saturday, August 24, 2019

Friday, August 23, 2019

Culture and enlightenment are powerless against delusions such as astrology

But in another way . . . antiquity exercised a perilous influence. It imparted to the Renaissance its own forms of superstition. ... The belief in a Divine government of the world was in many minds destroyed by the spectacle of so much injustice and misery. Others, like Dante, surrendered at all events this life to the caprices of chance . . .. But when the belief in immortality began to waver, then Fatalism got the upper hand, or sometimes the latter came first and had the former as its consequence. The gap thus opened was in the first place filled by the astrology of antiquity, or even of the Arabs. ... It is profoundly instructive to observe how powerless culture and enlightenment were against this delusion; since the latter had its support in the ardent imagination of the people, in the passionate wish to penetrate and determine the future. Antiquity, too, was on the side of astrology.

-- Jacob Burckhardt, The Civilization of the Renaissance in Italy (London: Phaidon, 1945), 313f.

Thursday, August 22, 2019

Life eludes us

Like following life in creatures we dissect,
We lose it in the moment we detect.

-- Alexander Pope

Tuesday, August 20, 2019

Man over man He made not lord

Human predator seeks human prey
He gave us only over beast, fish, fowl,
dominion absolute; that right we hold
by his donation: but man over man
He made not lord.

-- John Milton

Thursday, August 15, 2019

Baby Boomer, 63, retires in Mazatlán on $1,000 a month, goes all-in for the life of mañana

She’s 63 and living by the beach in Mexico on $1,000 a month: ‘I can’t imagine living in the U.S. again’ :

“It’s a very different vibe here that’s kind of hard to explain. It’s not about being retired, because I wasn’t that until a year ago. It’s just a different understanding of what’s important in life, and a more relaxed live-and-let-live attitude. If something doesn’t get done today — there’s always tomorrow, or the next day. What’s the big deal?,” she explains. 

Tomorrow you will live, you always cry,
In what far country doth this morrow lie?
That 'tis so mighty long e'er it arrive:
Beyond the Indies does this morrow live?
'Tis so far-fetch'd this morrow, that I fear
'Twill be both very old, and very dear.
Tomorrow will I live, the fool does say,
Today itself's too late, the wise liv'd yesterday.

-- Abraham Cowley (1618-1667) 

Monday, August 12, 2019

Potty mouth: What President Trump and Rod Dreher have in common

The president's profanity is the subject of a recent article:


Rod Dreher has been on a tear with his own profanity this summer in his Twitter feed:

6/20: Somehow, the damn things fit!
6/22: Watch Tucker Carlson give John Bolton and others hell.
6/25: This guy is a first-class bullshitter.
6/25: Not a damn thing playing that an actual adult would want to see.
6/25: Stop tasing him! Goddamn!
6/27: Retweet: "the most batshit idea the Dems have come up with".
7/05: hell of a writer
7/08: hell of a writer
7/09: I had these for a starter. Savory walnut paste is pretty damn great.
7/09: Retweet: Perfect response: "I am so sick of this shit".
7/11: There's just too damn much weather in Louisiana.
7/23: You damn right that Gina Schock was the sexiest Go-Go!
7/24: And these Jesuit dipshits have the gall to publish this.
8/04: This is true: none of us has a damn clue how we're supposed to respond.
8/07: What the hell?
8/10: Every damn US Senator should co-sign.

I think the evangelicals would call this habit speech a sign of being unredeemed.

Others might chalk it up to being unintelligent, or intellectually lazy. Trump is the former, Dreher the latter.

Thursday, August 8, 2019

Churches were appropriated from synagogues which appropriated The Temple which appropriated the high places which derived from ancient altars . . .

Yes, but I think in the heat of the moment you meant "so as to be unable". Hostile much?

This behavior of appropriation might seem to be a major inheritance learned from just one peculiar people, which could be true in the sphere of religion, but in many other spheres such as law, history, medicine, science and philosophy the phenomenon of appropriation is no different from how Roman civilization consciously imitated everything Greek. In fact the Roman habit of synthesizing was a model for founding generation Americans, which is how America came to be a nation of immigrants.

This used to be a source of pride and self-identity among Americans regardless of background, who happily learned to imagine themselves as part of a great tradition spanning millennia and ethnicities. Now appropriation somehow makes one inauthentic.

Is a frame house preferable to a yurt?

Complains the guy who once forked over $90 for a six-pack of beer


Christian Science, the church which paved the way for legislation allowing every crackpot cult to hurt and kill families and children


It was church officials who engineered the 1970s US federal regulation that led to virtually every state enacting laws allowing parents to neglect children and get away with it. ... [C]hildren have died of everything from pneumonia, seizures and sepsis to a ruptured esophagus, mostly due to medical neglect – and the name of every one of them should be nailed to the door of the Mother Church. ... It could disappear today or tomorrow or years from now, but its own beliefs, and the religious exemptions it has seeded in laws all across the US, will leave a disaster in their wake, resulting in lives ruined, in unnecessary suffering and death, and in legislation that allows every crackpot cult and anti-vaccination zealot to sacrifice their children. Christian Scientists can renounce Eddy all they want, but it will not undo the evil they have done. That is their legacy.


Wednesday, August 7, 2019

I will pull down my barns, and build larger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
With listless eyes the dotard views the store--
He views, and wonders that they please no more.
Now pall the tasteless meats and joyless wines,
And Luxury with sighs her slave resigns.

-- Samuel Johnson, The Vanity of Human Wishes 

Saturday, August 3, 2019

The mediocre men

 
Men of age object too much, adventure too little,
and seldom drive business home to the full period;
but content themselves with a mediocrity of success.

-- Francis Bacon